my thoughts on modesty, part two

Thanks to God-fearing, Word-believing ladies and mamas, plus some word studies I’ve done, below are my thoughts on modesty, the second part:

First, I will present verses or portions from The inspired, Truth-filled Word (“Thy Word is Truth” — John 17:17b) of YHWH God.

I am so thankful that …
YHWH, The God of Israel, is The Transcendent One, The Most High God, Who cannot lie, and Who can only do good and tell us what is good. Messiah Yeshua is The Way, The Truth and The Life, sent from The Father in Heaven, to provide “the cure” for those who were “dead in their sins and iniquities,” and who had no way to “be made alive.” He willingly shed His innocent, undefiled Blood on the Roman execution stake, to pay the penalty YHWH God had pronounced upon those who were “dead” spiritually, in His Sight.

… oh, how much He has done for us! …

So, if you used to be a sinner, if you have surrendered your life (in all its aspects & ways), to The One Who made you, Who knows all your thoughts, words & attitudes, and all your needs, hopes & plans, choose (in your will) to trust Him.

He is fully able to do for you far beyond what you are able to do, for yourself. And He is fully able to comfort, support & help you. He knows your every need before you are aware of what it is. He knows your deep, inner aches (desires), to be loved (as you’d like to be loved), needed & appreciated.

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Verses related to modesty: (for both gentlemen & ladies, but mainly, I will focus on ladies, since ladies will most likely read what I share, here)

Genesis 3: 1-24
… especially v. 21
One of the results of “the sin of Adam & Eve” is that YHWH God, Elohim, Who made them (& us), had to kill an animal to provide what He’d need to make “coats of skins,” with which to “clothe” Adam & Eve.

A word study on *coats (Strong’s # 3801, Hebrew)* and *clothe(d) (Strong’s #3847, Hebrew)* will help us get a clearer understanding of what our Father in Heaven wants us to know.  This will lead us to doing the right thing, in His Sight.

*coat*  — (koot – to’ – neth;  keth – o’ – neth)

Hebrew 3847 (from Strong’s):  means “to cover;” “a shirt”  (may refer, also, to a garment or robe)

Some places, in The Word, where this particular word is used include:   Genesis 37:3, 23, 31, 32, 33, and Exodus 28:4, 39, and Exodus 29:5, and Leviticus 8:7, 16:4, and I Samuel 2:19, 17:5, 38, and II Samuel 15:32, and Job 30:18, and Song of Songs 5:3, and Matthew 5:40, and Luke 6:29, and John 19:23, 21:7

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*clothe* or *clothed* — (law – bash’)

Hebrew 3847 (from Strong’s):  means wrap around, i.e. (by implication), “to put on a garment” or “clothe (oneself, or another),” literally or figuratively.

(this is incomplete; please, pardon me; I *will* finish this study!)

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Note:  Sorry; more interruptions (of life), again.

I will add more, as soon as I can.  (from early 2011)

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Hi !  It is now June 2, 2011.  It’s now time to add to this “part two” page where I am workin’ on sharing “my thoughts on modesty.”

Here are some more verses, in The Word of YHVH God, which I will use as part of “my thoughts on modesty” —

I Timothy 2:9-10

I believe, as you read through these two verse I have shared, you will see that “the message within the wording” becomes more clear.  (if you do some word studies on the terms in the original language of The Word, and include studies in the Israelite culture at the time Paul wrote this letter to a young “pastor” named Timothy, using an English form of his real name)

In my understanding, these verses seem to clearly indicate that a woman’s (the Scripture, here, assumes that the women being spoken about, in these verses, is what I would call “a true believer in Messiah Yeshua”) adornment should, first, be her heart / soul attitude.  To me, that is a spirit.  If my spirit or attitude is one of love (sincerely, purely) between myself and my Lord Redeemer (Yeshua, God’s Son), then “shamefacedness” and “sobriety” indicate a sort of “bashfulness” and “modesty” or “awe (toward God)” — that’s bashfulness.  Sobriety, to me, indicates an attitude of “soundness of mind,” “sanity,” or “self-control.”  I am also using terms that James Strong uses in his “concordance.”

If any of my readers would like me to also use definitions of these particular words, from the 1828 version, called _Noah Webster’s First Edition of An American Dictionary of the English Language_, … I can do that. (in time)

(Note:  I *have* also studied the words used, as defined by some who seem to have a pretty good grasp of the culture at that time and who compared what they took the words to mean with what God’s standards seem to be, from the Old Covenant / the Tanakh / and The Torah.  There are some wonderfully helpful websites which share a correct view of the standards which YHVH God “set up” for His chosen people to abide by.  When I have re-found those site links I have stored in my “files,” I will share them with you.  If you have some to share, leave me a message or a comment.  All comments are moderated.)

Also, from I Timothy 2:10, the word “godliness,” used in the KJV Bible, I understand to mean, as James Strong shares:  “devoutness, i.e., piety.”  That word comes from another word that means:  “reverent of God, i.e., pious.”

Pious means:  (from “the 1828…”) “Godly; reverencing and honoring The Supreme Being {YHVH} in heart and in the practice of the duties He has enjoined; having due veneration and affection for the character of {YHVH} God, and habitually obeying His commands; ….”

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Speaking of married ladies, Yeshua’s disciple Peter shared, in I Peter 3:3 (and in verses just before that one), thoughts that indicate a realization that one’s behavior (translated, in the KJV, using the word “conversation” — it means “behavior” or “how one lives or conducts oneself”) *does* affect others, including a woman’s husband.

In I Peter 3:3, the word “adorning” is used.  We would do well to learn what we should understand that word to mean for us, from YHVH God’s perspective, in practical terms.  Adorning, according to James Strong’s interpretation of it, means:  “orderly, i.e., decorous,” and is taken to mean “of good behavior,” or “modest.”  It is close to a related word which means:  “to put in (proper) order, i.e., decorate.”  That related words’ “translated meanings” are:  “adorn,” “decorate,” and “trim.”

So, as one would appropriately “decorate” or “adorn” oneself, as a lady who is a true believer in The Son of YHVH God (Yeshua), in a suitable manner, in order to please (only) her Redeemer, one should “adorn” oneself with “modest apparel.”

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In I Timothy 2:9, the word, in KJV, translated as “apparel,” means:  (from “the 1828…”)  clothing, vesture; garments; dress.  It also can refer to one’s “appearance.”  Apparently, in Noah Webster’s time, in early America, with “believers” dressing in what I’d call “modest apparel,” those who were known to be believers, “appear(ed) in the natural apparel of simplicity.”  Nothing fancy, or showy, or worn in an attempt to gain someone’s attention of the opposite sex / gender for the sake of praise or for immoral reasons, by those who were “believers,” at that time.  Those who did “that (dressing immodestly)” were usually shunned, or ignored, or punished by the local authorities, in some manner.

In I Peter 3:3, the word translated “apparel,” is a different word than what is used in I Timothy 2:9.  This word comes from a word that means:  “to put on” and it seems to indicate a “dress (inner or outer).”  It is taken, by James Strong, to indicate:  “apparel, cloke (cloak), clothes, garment, raiment, robe, vesture.”

Those, in the culture at the time of the Apostle Paul’s life, who were known as “true believers” in Messiah Yeshua, were knowledgeable, as Paul was, that “to be clothed” *did* mean that a woman was “covered” from head to foot.  There is no misunderstanding this.  I’ve read enough studies on the culture at that time, to see it this way.  If you disagree, you may share your views in a comment.  All comments are moderated.  I trust you will understand that, if your information can be validated / confirmed through other, trusted believers I am in contact with, who know much more than I know about the culture during Paul’s lifetime and that of Yeshua’s lifetime on earth, … then, I will consider sharing your insights in a future post, on this site.

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The link, below, should take you to a video I believe is good in what it shares, in words on the video screen, about what the idea is, that I have in mind, for what a Godly, virtuous woman, a woman of modesty in character, is like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtYKQ1prA0Q

The video was shared, in Aug. of 2008, by “aflame4God” as the sharer’s name on you-tube.

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This study could include more insights from The Word.  I figure it will.  At this point, I will take a break and see if anyone “does” want to share a comment with me, before I move on.  If so, I will check those.  If not, I will (soon) continue with more word studies, and share more verses / passages from YHVH God’s Word.

The Torah shares with us the standards for clothing oneself as taught by YHVH God to Moshe / Moses, to write down for God’s chosen people to live by.  Within The Torah, I have recently learned (but have not shared here, yet) some specific verses which state that the directions / instructions (these are the English meanings for the word “Torah”) taught to Moshe / Moses by YHVH God were “the same” for the Gentiles / foreigners living among the Israelites / Hebrews,  those called “strangers” who were living among them or who accompanied them from Egypt.

So, in case some, who read this, believe that Gentiles, or those who believe they have no Hebrew or Jewish “roots” from their own, personal, past generations of “relations,” you were also thought of, lovingly, by YHVH God, when He told Moshe / Moses to write down the “standards” by which He (YHVH God, our ELohim) wanted His children (that’s us, if we are “true believers” who have been engrafted into His Vine!) to abide by, live by.

If I were to look for an excuse I figured was valid, even from God’s perspective, … would that indicate that I may be hoping for a reason to disobey Him?  Or would I be showing that I wish He would lower His standards, for me?  Or would I be demonstrating “agape Love” for Yeshua, as He asked Peter about his love for Yeshua, in the Gospel Yochanan / John wrote, in chapter 21:15-17 ?  Peter only seemed to understand that he was able to “phileo” Yeshua, meaning he only understood he could show “love as a friend” to Yeshua.  But Yeshua was clearly asking Peter if Peter would choose to “agape Love” Yeshua!  … now, that’s something to ponder!

So, does the mode of apparel, the type of clothing, and ways I clothe my body, show to my Maker, my Redeemer, my “Best Friend,” how much I “agape Love” Him?  or does it show I do not “agape Love” Him as I suppose I do?  (ouch!)  Let’s examine that, within our own souls.  One day, we must answer for the choices we have made, and those which we were unwilling to let Him change, in us.  I hope to please Him.  I trust you do, also.

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Found what I’d call a “very positive” and “quite truthful,” meaning that (in my humble opinion, this is in agreement with what YHVH God’s Word teaches; remember, this is according to my personal convictions & my personal opinions)  This video was shared on “you-tube” by Bruce Herwig, posted on Nov. 1, 2008, and a link shared in the “more info.” area, below the video “screen” is for Trinity Church, Redlands, CA:  http://www.trinityonline.org

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbAiyq2cspE&feature=related

I’d say that, even though she does not cite lots of passages or verses from YHVH God’s Word, in her presentation to those to whom she was speaking, she did a very good job of summing up what I also believe has been going on, in churches in America, for one, and also she sums up some of the things women (especially “believers” or those who call themselves “Christians”) need to be aware of, and what those women “need” to do, in obedience to YHVH’s teachings, instructions, commands and His Way of Life, in Truth.

What we wear, men or women, who are believers in Messiah Yeshua, “does” tell others about what is our inner value system, and what is our real relationship with The One in Whom we say we believe and follow / walk with, and what motivates us, including what we want others to think about, when they see us, either at home or in public.

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This video is shared by “aflame4God” on you-tube.  This is part 1 of 2 parts.  The second video part is shared in the second link, below this first one, just below here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCvJgEN2SHA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhph1D4vwng

I believe these two videos, done with tasteful, peaceful music in the background, plus the sound of rain falling, … along with a bit of thunder, … played quietly, plus just words on the video screen, should give any who read the words a good idea of what modesty is, in YHVH God’s view.

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Some other moms have shared about modesty.  Please read what is below here.  I was encouraged and inspired to read what was shared, that I, now, share with you.

A wise, God-honoring mom I know shared her thoughts & verses she’d studied, about modesty, on her blog called This Pilgrimage. She wrote it in five parts.
Parts 1 through 5 can be found at the links, below:

http://thispilgrimage.blogspot.com/2009/01/what-is-modesty.html
http://thispilgrimage.blogspot.com/2009/01/what-is-modesty-part-ii.html
http://thispilgrimage.blogspot.com/2009/01/what-is-modesty-part-iii.html
http://thispilgrimage.blogspot.com/2009/02/what-is-modesty-part-iv.html
http://thispilgrimage.blogspot.com/2009/02/what-is-modesty-part-v.html

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Another perspective, shared by someone else:

Below is a link which should take you to a webpage on which one writer (a believer in Yeshua) has shared with the site owner (who is not the writer of the information on that page; who *is* a believer in Yeshua) … his / her thoughts about “The Bible’s Dress Code,” regarding how “the people of God” should dress modestly.

http://www.momof9splace.com/sermon.html

At the top of this webpage is a disclaimer, which states (I have copied it here for you):   “Disclaimer: As with another page I have on this site. I did not write this article. Keep that in mind when writing me okay?”  (it’s in red)

So, for my readers of this blog of mine, I also am making use of this disclaimer.

I would also guess that the writer of the information (on the webpage I’ve shared a link to) may be from the southern part of the United States, just by the wording used.  In other words, though I am also from the more-southwestern part of the U.S., I would not word what I’d have to say about clothing oneself modestly using the same exact words as this writer has used on the referenced webpage.  However, it is still worth reading!

And by what I said, I do not insult the writer.  I merely mention it because there may be some of you who may read the information shared … and criticize the writer, only because of his or her style of writing or of wording he or she has chosen to use is not like yours.  That would be unjust to do.

So, please read it for what benefit it can bring to your thoughts, when pondering the topic of modesty for both men and women, who claim to be true believers in YHVH God’s Son, Yeshua The Messiah.  This is a serious topic!  All who claim they are on their way to Heaven must consider it.  Why?  Because YHVH God has made His teachings clear on this topic, in The Word He inspired men to write on parchment. (sheepskin, originally)

His Teachings should be considered to be, from His Perspective, on an equal level with His Commands.  He expects and desires for His Children, Who say they have put their trust in Him, to do what He has taught them to do.  So, if you are a true believer in The Lord YHVH, in The True God Who inhabits eternity, Who rides on the clouds, and sits on the circle of the earth, Who made all things in this universe we live in, … then, these teachings “do” apply to you, and to me.

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… a couple of comments to explain …

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As many of you, who have blogs, also have experienced, I just thought I should say that (due to my lack of technical knowledge of computers & “html” and “css”) when you all see what look like “boo-boos” in the spaces between my paragraphs, where I am tryin’ to add simple, but (my version of) decorative touches, … I cannot seem to get them to “show up” after I hit “publish,” as they do look, while I am editing things on my page.

So, if anyone wants to give me some pointers on how I could do this better, to get my simple, “decorative touches” to show up in the right places, … leave me a comment.  Okay?

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